Wiring up 240v ac Led lights in a garage.

50th VFR

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#22
Built a garage and used armoured cable as feed and armour as earth.
Just an isolator switch at the house end and a full RCD switchboard in the garage.
Fully tested and certified as part of Building Warrant requirements.
 

VFuRry

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#23
Exporting earth

The outbuilding should be separate and have it's own earth rod. ....There must be no earth link between the house.and garage
But how easy is it to ensure the integrity of the earth, considering the rod length and the ground it's being put into? ISTR that achieving this can be quite involved, sometimes needing a rod as long as 2m (or even longer?). I might be more inclined to depend on an exported earth. I confess I'm not 'up' on this stuff though, so willing to be educated.

But do feel welcome to run an extension lead down ya gardin and put your garage on a 13 amp plug. There's no reg say you can't do that.
That's what I did, however the 13A cable only has to go through a wall. I did this mainly because connecting into the house CU would've been a real pain.
 

Pete/48

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Tell you what though, those LED batten lights are bloody impressive, particularly at around £8.50 each.

I'll be replacing all of my flourescent lights with them... as they fail.

Thanks very, very much for all of your help.
Hi Dave, Going off on a bit of a tangent here,-- Amended post -- Tis now ok Dave , Paul (Pad) has now pointed me to your original link ;),

Your post has now got me interested in replacing the old and tired fluorescent fittings I have in my garage with some nice new LED battens, (of the type you have used,)
But I don't seem able to find any full sized LED batten type fittings (like the ones you speak of), at around the price you have suggested,
All of the ones I can find are priced somewhere in the region of £20-£30 each, and seeing that at the mo I have (9) 5ft units in my garage/workshop, replacing all of those would prove to be quite an expensive exercise, but if i could locate some at the price you have indicated --ie, around £8.50 each, that would make the job well worth doing,

So would you have a link/ or any info as to where I might locate similar to what you have used,

P.S.-- If no link, then a photo would be good, just so as I could make sure we are talking about the same thing, as opposed to the many strips of LED bulbs that are available, ;)
 
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clumsy_geezer

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These are the ones I bought Pete:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10x-High...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

They were a doddle to fit- One screw in each of the two brackets- then clip em in... Oh, and 3 thin wires to connect up at the mains junction box.

I bught 10 of them..... (I'm sure I'd seen cheaper but can't find em now)

I wouldn't buy those Belgian ones.... Built to new European standards.... which won't work after 'Brexit'.

S'all I'm saying.......
 

clumsy_geezer

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Oops, just realised that i must have bought the 'foreign ones after all.......


Let's stay in Europe, let's stay in Europe.......
 

PAD

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Too late. It would be undemocratic and a betrayal of... of... well summfink or other. So I’m told. It must be a bit of a concern seeing as how the Belgians drive on the wrong side of the road and eat mayonnaise with... :eusa_doh::eusa_whistle:
 

clumsy_geezer

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It must be a bit of a concern seeing as how the Belgians drive on the wrong side of the road and eat mayonnaise with...
Er, frogs legs Pad, frogs legs?

Unlike proper people (us) who eat mayonnaise with a knife. Ennit?
 

Pete/48

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These are the ones I bought Pete:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10x-High-Lumen-4FT-1200mm-LED-Batten-Tube-Light-Slim-Wall-Ceiling-Mount-Daylight/113028179199?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

They were a doddle to fit- One screw in each of the two brackets- then clip em in... Oh, and 3 thin wires to connect up at the mains junction box.

I bught 10 of them..... (I'm sure I'd seen cheaper but can't find em now)

I wouldn't buy those Belgian ones.... Built to new European standards.... which won't work after 'Brexit'.

S'all I'm saying.......
Thanks for that Dave, Want to have word with you about them the next time we meet ;);) regards the "type/colour" of light put out by these particular LED fittings, I know they describe them as being "Daylight" but that could mean anything really,---
ie,- Is it by any chance that ice cold blue sort of light that most LEDs seem to have ??, Hopefully not, as personally I'm not too keen on that myself, and I do spend quite a lot of time in my Garage/workshop,

Am wondering if it's the sort of thing that you might be able to take a couple of photo's of on your phone, meaning that I would then be able see the results when we next meet up ;);),
 

clumsy_geezer

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I'll try and get some photo's Pete.
From memory, they are a fairly bright white-ish light (didn't notice any Blue-ness to them though), and the light is well enough diffused that I couldn't notice any obvious shadow with it mounted above and behind me shining on to the work bench in front of me....

I'll fit em the moment any of mine fail- no question.


Think it was wise to outsource the final bit, CG.
What's the outcome?
Nothing sorted yet Colin. But I've said that I'm happy to bring it into the house and maybe connect it to a metal box, so that the gland can be used for strength and as an earth to the armour wires.
A proper electrician can then run the final terminations to the plastic cased Consumer unit. (I'll leave the circuit diagram at each end (house and garage) so the electrician can see what crap he's dealing with)

Thanks again guys.
 

steve27bha

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Thanks for that Dave, Want to have word with you about them the next time we meet ;);) regards the "type/colour" of light put out by these particular LED fittings, I know they describe them as being "Daylight" but that could mean anything really,---
ie,- Is it by any chance that ice cold blue sort of light that most LEDs seem to have ??, Hopefully not, as personally I'm not too keen on that myself, and I do spend quite a lot of time in my Garage/workshop,

Am wondering if it's the sort of thing that you might be able to take a couple of photo's of on your phone, meaning that I would then be able see the results when we next meet up ;);),
The Features part of the advert includes:-

Color Cool White (6000K~6500K)
Lumens 3200 Lumens


I've used that colour temperature in a HID headlight and in domestic bulbs. It is a white white, but has no noticeable blue element. It roughly equates to midday sun I believe. I suggest you go buy a domestic bulb - try Wilco - and test it out.

HTH
 

PAD

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6000 - 6500K is toward the blue end of the spectrum. I find that sort of colour very good for close work and fiddly stuff - it improves detail, colour definition and contrast. I’m perfectly happy with this colour lighting in the garage but, while it certainly doesn’t have me climbing the walls or anything, it isn’t what you’d call a relaxing light. I wouldn’t want to go that far in the house, not even the kitchen - we use 5000K bulbs there, which is probably closest to yer average natural daylight.

The battens that Dave has bought aren’t dimmable, so there’s no scope for taking the edge off them that way. I see they’ve gone up in price by a tenner, too. Have you seen THESE? A bit more expensive, but there’s a choice of colour, size and quantity.
 
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