VFR1200F Serious issue. Help appreciated

#1
Hello all, I'm new to the forum and have recently gotten back into riding and got a white Honda VFR1200f manual with 24500 miles on it.

I parked on a hill and attached one of those handbrake clips that holds the front brake against the throttle grip.

When I came back, I forgot to remove the clip and started the bike. The revs went all the way to the limiter for about 3-4 seconds until I pulled the clip off.

It seemed ok, and I rode off. After going down the road, the oil light came on. I restarted the bike and it was off. Then seems to come on between 2-4000rpm and then stay on until it's restarted again.

I changed the oil filter and topped it up, in case they'd become damaged with excessive pressure and nothing changed. I guessed it was the pressure switch and as it rode fine with no overheating, added getting it fixed to my to do list.

Well, I use this bike for work, and after setting off, it started making a squealing noise from the clutch area in line with engine rpm.

I turned it round and rode it back home and called my banks recovery who have taken it to Honda in Newcastle who seem a little annoyed that it just turned up. Good thing is the GPS tracker will tell me when they are working on it, where it goes, when it's moved, started etc.

I read a similar thread on here. But just wanted advice (and possibly reassurance) that it's not the end of the bike after spending alot of money on it on touring mods and after only owning it for 7 months, and that it's not going to be very expensive to fix.

Surely the rev limiter is designed to stop this from happening? Is that all it takes to blow a a Honda?

It's a really nice bike and I was looking forward to France next year, but if it's going to cost thousands to fix and I still have finance on it for a few years yet, I'm kinda stressing out.
 

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pjenkins

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#2
These brake lock security locks are not a good idea.
Holding and maintaining hydraulic pressure in the braking system for prolonged periods will eventually cause seals to wear prematurely.
Throw it in the bin.
As for your concern regarding possible engine damage, don't sweat it.
You'd have to be constantly bouncing it off the rev limiter over hundreds of miles to do any damage.
A few seconds isn't going to harm it at all.
As for the squeak, it'll be interesting to find out but I suspect you have nothing to worry about.
 
#3
Thanks for that. It's been to Honda and they finally got it in to take a look at it. They suspect that it's a faulty pressure relief valve and the pressure is perhaps too high.

Of course, they don't have the 'special' equipment to test the pressure, so they've had to rent it from Honda. It arrives Tuesday.

Kinda wish they'd thought ahead and ordered it for the diagnosis date...

Anyway, gotta wait till Tuesday. Dusted off the old Peugeot 407 that hasn't moved since I got the bike lol.
 

conkerleeky

Registered User
#4
Hope you get it sorted and it not gona cost a lot .
Honda Newcastle is my local dealer . Don't think they are the best dealers around.
Bob
 
#5
Yeah I hope so. Tuesday will tell. Good think about having a tracker fitted is that I know exactly how long they've been working on it and when.

Hopefully good news on Tuesday.
 

swimmer

Registered User
#6
These brake lock security locks are not a good idea.
Holding and maintaining hydraulic pressure in the braking system for prolonged periods will eventually cause seals to wear prematurely.
Throw it in the bin.
As for your concern regarding possible engine damage, don't sweat it.
You'd have to be constantly bouncing it off the rev limiter over hundreds of miles to do any damage.
A few seconds isn't going to harm it at all.
As for the squeak, it'll be interesting to find out but I suspect you have nothing to worry about.
Bouncing it off the Rev limiter for a few seconds isn't the problem. The fact that it happened right at start up is. Whether there is any damage or not I don't know but hitting the Rev limiter on a warmed up engine and one straight from start up are not the same.
 
#7
Well Honda called me this morning and said the pressure tester is in. That they'd call me in the afternoon with an update and I never heard anything. I'll give them a ring tomorrow afternoon if I don't hear anything. That clip that I used is in the bin now.

The engine wasn't totally cold. It'd been parked for about 15 minutes while I got a hair cut. But yeah I'm kinda hoping that it's just the pressure relief valve.
 

trumpet

Registered User
#8
Hoping for the best for you. Not sure but it could have seriously damaged the Engine, Still learning the technical aspects of this motor, but I understand it has a scavenge pump for the oil and its just possible it ran out of oil pressure at startup when it went instantly to the rev limiter. hope not !
 

Coval

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#10
My TDM900 squealed first thing in the morning, shuddered off the lights too. Once warmed up all was fine. Turned out to be warped clutch plates. Fingers crossed.
 
#11
Well, they ended up having to order another bit of testing kit. And then called me this morning to say they have to order yet another bit of testing kit. It's been 2 weeks now and all they've really done so far is order testing kits. They have offered me a courtesy bike for now. I'll try to get up there.
 
#12
Whilst it is never a good idea to gun an engine from start I would be surprised if this had damaged the bike.

When you changed the oil filter did you change the oil too or was it a case of just quickly swap out the old/new without draining the engine and then topped up the lost oil? Either way is there any clutch slip alongside the squealing clutch? If so, is the new oil motorcycle specific and suitable for a motorbike wet clutch. i.e. it wasn't some car oil that you had around? Had you put many miles on the bike before this episode with the high revving happened, i.e. Do you know that it wasn't a fault that was already there and you are now just aware of it?

Judging by the additional testing kit that they are ordering they hopefully are working their way through the fault finding process, you would expect that them being a main Honda dealer they have the experience and support to diagnose the fault. Hopefully this is the case and soon you are shooting off from the dealership back down the road on your bike without too large a repair bill.
 
#13
I'd used the bike every day since I got it. So racked up around 4000 or so miles and never had an issue.

No clutch slippage when I drove it home. When I changed the oil filter, I didn't do a complete drain. Just topped it up.

Honda have just been on the phone and have said that they are almost certain that it's a pressure relief valve that is stuck open as there's no pressure in the system at all.

They're gonna strip the oil pump down tomorrow and let me know.

They did say, however that the relief valve is built into the pump and to replace the valve, you have to replace the whole pump at a cost of £1350 inclusive of vat and labour.

There's a reconditioned one on eBay for £25 + shipping, but they won't accept it as they can't guarantee the work.

Tomorrow will tell, but not happy. Only had this bike for around 7 months.
 
#15
I would either employ a local engineering firm or try the part off ebay, alternatively source another engine. Honda will try to rape you and then what warranty would you have?
 
#16
It says: JH2SC63A7AK000453 to JH2SC63A4AK002922

My last digits are: A1AK001520

Does this mean it's in scope? Am I looking at the last digits only? Is the A4AK part of the series?

As mines 1520, and it's between the last digits, does this mean it's part of the recall? The bike was first registered 30/04/2010, so it 'could've been manufactured during the effected dates. I have already had the drive shaft done under recall.

Tell you what, if you have told me this and I get a new engine for free, I'll kiss you.
 
#19
So I called the Honda dealer. They hadn't heard of the recall, but they checked my vehicles history and said there's no record of it being done.

I thought, great. New engine time!

But, he then said that they were recalled very soon after release, and the resolution code says that they were all done.

My VIN number definitely is one of the ones listed in the recall notice, but no record is with Honda dealership that it was actually done. Kinda confused. He then went on to say that if there was an issue, the engine wouldn't have lasted this long. Surely there would be a note on the vehicles history if this had actually been done, even if the vehicle hadn't been registered or recently registered?

On the plus side, they do offer finance on repairs, but they're not interest free...

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I called Honda UK and told them about it. The guy didn't know what swarf was, but he's passed it all up to Honda UK for them to deal with. I should hear back from them within 5 business days. I'd be happy if they just provided the oil pump for free, as thats a rediculously expensive part at around £620 + VAT and would cut my repair bill in half which would be bareable.

Still kinda hoping that it falls within the recall and they just replace the engine. Kudos to Calum Lawson for pointing that out, as the dealership didn't.

Personally, after reading about the engines that were fitted to the first VFR1200F's, I reckon it should be replaced at their cost and be done with it. But time will tell.
 
#20
Ok so this is it.

Honda Newcastle called me today and explained something to me.

Now, I can't really go into too much as its probably gonna go to court. They started stripping the engine lube system and noticed something blocking the scavenge pump.

They pulled it out and it turns out that when the pressure went up when all this started, it must've dislodged it and it blocked the scavenge pump.

I had a very low speed drop and got the bike repaired through the insurance company, where they did replace the engine side casing amongst some plastics. this was about 6 months ago.

Well they have obviously not removed this object before refitting the engine casing.

I called them and they were a bit not bothered but would 'look into it'. I wasnt happy.

I called the insurance company and this repair company (a massive national one) is now under investigation. Honda Newcastle have sent photos to them and the insurance company will call me tomorrow with an update.

It's more than a write off. The repair company said they'll take the bike back and fix it if they are at fault but I've told the insurance company that if they leave paper towels in the engine, what they hell will it be like when they have to pay for the repair themselves.

I'm basically gonna request my £450 excess back for that claim, the £380 for the current Honda fees for diagnosis. Transport the bike back to my house at their cost.

Other than that, probably ask for the price i paid for it. I can then pay the finance off and take all the nice things off it that I've fitted.

Should I ask for more than this?
 
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