RAM limits on a PC

clumsy_geezer

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Photo program I run (Photomatix) has issues with insufficient memory (quite like me really)- so I checked and found that, despite having 8 gig of RAM on the MoBo, only 3.48GB is usable.
It transpires that 4 GB is the max RAM that Win 7 32 bit can handle.... Wow! I never knew that.

So what do I need to do to upgrade my system to 64 bit. (I'm sure my MoBo can handle 64 bit, I've got Win 7 in 64 bit that I can load, but what about all my progs? I'm guessing that I'll have to re-load em all (well all those that will run in 64 bit mode)

Bottom line- what do I have to do to go 64 bit from 32 bit?

Thanks.
 

lee j

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Think from memory that you cannot change from 32 to 64 without reloading the complete OS and that means re-installing all your programs. Obviously, before doing that backup ALL your files and photos (plus anything else you want to keep safe as a new install will wipe your hard drive) to a remote drive then re-install the OS. You can then load back all your saved files.
I used to run win7 but that was with 64bitPro OS and never had a memory limit problem. With a new 64bit OS you can still load and run 32bit programs as the OS will (should) then keep two program directories, one for 32bit programs and another for 64bit programs (at least that is what appears to happen with win10)

Lee
 

clumsy_geezer

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Thanks for that Mac- unfortunately it didn't cure my issue.

Thanks anyway though.

Probably about time for me to take the advice I was given on this site a few years back and install Win10 (64 bit)

I've cloned my system drive in its entirety on to a spare disk so I can drag back anything I want... (he said hopefully)


So it's 64 bit Win 10 for me lads......

Thanks for your help.

Incidentally, given my propensity for cocking things up of late, I may well be back- seeking advice......
 

lee j

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Hi CG - do not know which software you are using on win7 but when I changed from win7 to win10 (both 64bit) there were a few programs using in win7 that were not compatible with win10 OS and meant changing/buying new updated software packages if I wanted to keep the same named packages. Namely had to change my accounts package and Office package. Also, if you now want to use any Office software you will have to pay an annual rent (cannot purchase) as older Office suites do not work. I changed my software to Open Office 4.1.6 (free download and free to use) as it will read and produce the same file format as Office ie .xls, .doc etc (Open Office own file format is .ods, .odt), you can choose what format to use.

Lee
 

clumsy_geezer

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Thanks for that lee.
I've checked on t'internet and it reckons that I should be ok to run Office 2007 (I have the key) on Windows 10.

Any issue mind and I'll happily follow your advice.

looks like I'm gonna have to do a clean load of Win 10.
 

pete0034

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Hi CG

Read it,then you will know that win 32 bit to win 10 64 bit is not on .

A clean install of win 10 is best bet,not win 7 64 bit route

If a new key is required go here and stump up the cash,its not a lot. The windows is free from Microsoft,just the ball ache of downloading the ISO file then converting it to a dvd, win 7 should be able to do that ? . so dont download it till you have a working dvd,or have somone else with win 10 do it for you

I seem to recall we have been here before :)

Peter
 

lee j

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My first win10 upgrade from win7 64bit pro to win10 64bit pro (free upgrade from Microsoft) did not install clean and had various problems recognising dvd drives and additional hardware. Had to do a complete clean (no upgrade) win10 64bit install again. Fortunately problems were found before I really started to install all progs and begin to use the upgraded OS. Been OK ever since though.

Lee
 

lee j

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"I've checked on t'internet and it reckons that I should be ok to run Office 2007 (I have the key) on Windows 10."

Unfortunately CG have heard that said/stated before but when tried a 'compatible software program' it fell down and was not recognised/compatible. So do not be too surprised if Office 2007 does not run correctly and Microsoft says you have to use win10 versions.
However, try your existing software first as I was using Microsoft Works 9 and was informed that it will not load/work in win10 but it does and I am still using it now under win10. (Had works .wdb database files from many years ago when access was not in use and just carried them forward as I did not want the hassle of re-entering 25 years of information).

Lee
 
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clumsy_geezer

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Great information Lee and much appreciated.
The whole process has a large amount of suck it and see so, like you say, I'll go with whatever options it gives me.


I seem to recall we have been here before :)
You are quite right Pete...... And I baulked at it.

This time I'm going for it tjhough.

The windows is free from Microsoft,just the ball ache of downloading the ISO file then converting it to a dvd, win 7 should be able to do that ? . so dont download it till you have a working dvd,or have somone else with win 10 do it for you
Will do that mate. (I've bought a key)

State at the moment is that my system disk is a Solid State Device (which I have cloned to a clean disk for recovering all data), and which I intend to download Win 10 to.

So, if I start downloading win 10 will it effectively 'clean' the present operating system disk itself..... Logic tells me that it must.... (Mind, my logic is in a state of melt-down at the moment)

Thanks for all the help folks.

Really.
 
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lee j

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Yes - if a new install will clear your disc of access to all previous information - it will not 'clean' your disc as in removing the info but set up new directories/work areas/OS system files etc. plus will use the entire disc as though it is a new disc and overwrite anything that is 'in the way'.
If you upgrade then it will probably save your old system setup (though do not quote me) so that you have a chance to revert back again to pre-upgrade status. At least it did when I tried the Microsoft free upgrade from win7 to win10. Although it ended up having to do a new clean install as upgrade did not work correctly.
One thing though for your info. DO NOT EVER DEFRAG A SS DISK - it does not like it.
Lee
 

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Great information Lee and much appreciated.
The whole process has a large amount of suck it and see so, like you say, I'll go with whatever options it gives me.



You are quite right Pete...... And I baulked at it.

This time I'm going for it tjhough.



Will do that mate. (I've bought a key)

State at the moment is that my system disk is a Solid State Device (which I have cloned to a clean disk for recovering all data), and which I intend to download Win 10 to.

So, if I start downloading win 10 will it effectively 'clean' the present operating system disk itself..... Logic tells me that it must.... (Mind, my logic is in a state of melt-down at the moment)

Thanks for all the help folks.

Really.
I'm running office 2007 on Windows 10 without any discernible problems, but I'm an IT numpty.
 

pete0034

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So, if I start downloading win 10 will it effectively 'clean' the present operating system disk itself..... Logic tells me that it must.... (Mind, my logic is in a state of melt-down at the moment)
Lets step through this.
Go here "Microsoft Win 10 )
Down load the tool,run tool and pick a safe place to save the ISO

Then the ISO needs to unpack to either a flash drive,if you can boot from that,or and it is my choice to a blank DVD .

When you are ready to wipe the drive you want to boot from,place DVD or Flash drive into computer and reboot,look out for the key-press to boot from your chosen media,if all is well after a while it should give you a choice of what to do

Pick a fresh install on your chosen Drive,if it has files on it . It should warn you all data will be lost are you sure,then it will put Win 10 on that Drive

I hope it make sense ? . Do not struggle it sounds a minefield and it is . Just Make tea between steps and shout out if you get lost

Regards Peter
 

clumsy_geezer

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One thing though for your info. DO NOT EVER DEFRAG A SS DISK - it does not like it.
Yeah, I'd read that somewhere too Lee, but thanks for the reminder mate.

Downloaded the ISO to a USB stick Pete.

Will be following the instructions to the letter too.

PS Have been asked by SWMBO to leave it till she goes on holiday so she can continue accessing the PC........

Probably Monday now before I throw the switch....... Wimmin eh?
 

clumsy_geezer

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Right, having decided to ignore SWMBO I am now writing this reply in Win10 (I speak it fairly fluently now too (actually that's a bit of a fib, but I am beginning to get used to it))

Followed all your good advice folks and it was relatively simple. (once I stopped thinking about it...)

To be honest I'm still finding it a bit weird. I keep trying to switch to 'my computer', to see if any of my other HDD's are recognised when I plug them in.... They don't seem to be. (It used to be so reassuring to see a list of drives appear on 'My Computer' as I plugged them in)
Now I just plug em in and hope that they get spotted (mostly not)
I'm sure there's an easy fix to all of this, which I will eventually learn.

It's also failed to recognise my second monitor, regardless of what I do.....
Likewise, I'm sure I'll sort that out soon.

The bottom line though is that I am now running Win 10 and have loaded all my documents back on the SSD (which is the OS disk.... obviously)

So thanks again for all your help.

PS it seems happy running Office 2007 too, but I haven't written any new documents yet
 

pete0034

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Hi CG

Well-done :)


I have no idea if this screen snip is of help,click file explorer,that should be like "My Computer" . Then click manage top of screen ,select Disk Management,then have a fiddle in that to sort drives out.

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