Cheap sat nav??

David JH

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#1
Does anyone know of a cheap sat nav? I was hoping to get one for tops ?200 less if possible :d:

Also I want one that I can say download pads route from the Shropshire ride out as I want to take the wife round that amazing area,

What can I say I'm a cheapskate the cheaper the better but I would like reliability to
 

joemcd

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#4
Not sure about that,but its a modern waterproof motorcycle sat nav with free lifetime updates at a good price.
Hopefully someone will help with that question.
I can't get mine to pair with a receiver only bluetooth module attatched to my autocom intercom.Fails to recognise it as a headset,works well enough connected by 3.5mm audio cable though.
 

PAD

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#5
The 340LM has largely the same specifications as the 350LM I use. The only differences are that the 340 doesn't come with a car mount and the map coverage is Western Europe and UK only, rather than the whole of Europe and the UK. So yes, you will be able to share routes via a micro SD cards - I think they can only handle up to 16GB though, but that's a fair bit of routage!

Joe, I think I'm right in saying that the Zumo only uses the HFP Bluetooth profile. Could it simply be that your receiver doesn't support HFP, so they can't talk to one another? A boffin might come along and correct me, but I have that in the back of my mind from somewhere. I believe Autocom could supply a suitable Bluetooth module - at a tidy price. They once assured me that their units won't work with 'these cheap Chinese receivers', but I don't see why not - surely if you can find one that will pair successfully with your sat nav then its output won't be hugely different from any other source?
 

joemcd

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#6
I have tried three different cheap bluetooth receivers with no joy.Also have an old starcom bt1 bluetooth module that will pair with the 340LM,unfortunately it has seen better days and the audio is very weak.
No connection to phone needed,so reluctant to pay autocom ?70 for their bt module.
I will try and find a module that supports HFP bluetooth profile.
Everyday is a school day.
Thankyou for the knowledgeable reply.
 

steve27bha

The skinny sassenach
#7
Joe, Pad.

Can you tell me if either the 340 or 350 model can create a route to a UK postcode? All seven characters? or less?

I could not find any definitive answer in the various sources I checked. In fact they all seemed to deliberately avoid mentioning postcodes so I assume it is not possible. If so that makes them a no-no for me.

I thank you for any reply.
 

PAD

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#8
Yes, Steve, you can do a postcode search. Certainly with the 350, anyway, but given that the 340 is the same device with a couple of omissions (see previous comment) I doubt very much that this is not so with the 340. Select 'Where To?' > 'Address' > 'Enter Postcode'. It does accept the full seven characters and doesn't seem to mind whether a space is included between the two elements or not. You can add a building number, but the result and location given always seems to be the centre of the postcode, equating to the first element and the number only of the second element. I'm not sure that other sat navs are any different in this? The Navigon app on my phone is the same. (I guess it's down to the data available and whether this is restricted either due to possible inaccuracies in positioning making more precise location pointless, or to keep down the size of the installed database?) For this reason, I generally prefer to use the full address search, if possible or, better still, to pinpoint a precise location on the map, by selecting 'Apps' > 'Trip Planner' > 'New Trip' > 'Select Start Location' > Browse Map'. This also gives the flexibility to choose multiple destinations and/or customise a route. But if a postcode is all you have, it should get you within yards of your destination
 

FTM

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#9
Well after umming and arring I've bought one. No more using the tomtom from the car.
I'll be in trouble with the missus again thanks to you lot for "buying Christine another present".

:(
 

joemcd

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#10
Joe, Pad.

Can you tell me if either the 340 or 350 model can create a route to a UK postcode? All seven characters? or less?

I could not find any definitive answer in the various sources I checked. In fact they all seemed to deliberately avoid mentioning postcodes so I assume it is not possible. If so that makes them a no-no for me.

I thank you for any reply.
Yes x 2
The 340LM will create a route from a postcode only.It will give suggestions for the last three digit/letters if you only enter the first four,but needs a choice to be made as will not start a route on the first four.
 

PAD

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#11
That's interesting! I must have only ever put in a full postcode and not noticed. It seems daft that it insists on info that it then doesn't use! Garmin, eh!:)

By the way re, your thanks for a 'knowledgeable' reply - I don't know a fraction about such things as some on here. My understanding of Bluetooth, such as it is, stems from my playing around with it for a project. It's a bit of a dark art AFAIC, and a minefield! Good luck with finding a wireless solution. I do have an HFP compatible receiver somewhere. I'll dig it out and see if it will work with my old Autocom Logic system. If it does, I'll happily post it to you for you to try.
 

joemcd

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#12
That's interesting! I must have only ever put in a full postcode and not noticed. It seems daft that it insists on info that it then doesn't use! Garmin, eh!:)

By the way re, your thanks for a 'knowledgeable' reply - I don't know a fraction about such things as some on here. My understanding of Bluetooth, such as it is, stems from my playing around with it for a project. It's a bit of a dark art AFAIC, and a minefield! Good luck with finding a wireless solution. I do have an HFP compatible receiver somewhere. I'll dig it out and see if it will work with my old Autocom Logic system. If it does, I'll happily post it to you for you to try.
Well you answered David's questions regarding routes ect as well.So definitely helpfull Paul.
My autocom is also a Logic model,if a HFP compatible receiver works on yours then I am good to go and buy one of China's finest.
 

Bumpkin

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#13
I gave up trying to get around the issues with connecting my Zumo 660 to an Autocom, and also have the phone work, so spent the money on the BTM02 module, worked well with no issues over a number of years. Of course, the absence of an audio out jack prevents hard wiring the thing :bang:

Now I no longer have room for the Autocom under the seat so have gone all Bluetooth anyway, no great regrets apart from having to charge various bits and pieces.
 

PAD

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#14
Ok, I've just found the Bluetooth receiver, connected it to the GPS input on my Autocom Logic unit and to an iPhone charger to power it and set my Zūmo 350 to discover nearby Bluetooth devices. It discovered the receiver in seconds and, upon connecting the Logic unit to a lid with an Autocom headset fitted, could hear the beeps made with every operation on the Zumo. So I selected a location from history and set it to go... Bingo! 'Please go to the highlighted route...'

The receiver is a very cheap unit off eBay that was sent to me in error - I ordered the transmitter unit from the same manufacturer. Of course, it occurs to me that this means I should now be able to communicate with SWMBO on the Autocom via my Sena system and therefore what I thought was of no use to me may well be after all. Eeeee! I'm quite chuffed! Eat yer hearts out Autocom!:d: Seventy odd quid, indeed! Won't work, eh? Pah!:m:

But the device is a DMZ Music MZ-301 ?5.10 from eBay.

At least it gets us in the right direction and able to test performance on the move. Of course, it does require a USB connection on the bike, or maybe use a portable power pack/charger? The latter would make for a system which could be put in jacket pockets if using batteries in the Logic unit.

HTH?

Getting a phone connection is, I'm sure, quite another ball game. But it might just be a matter of using a separate Bluetooth transmitter as well (or a combined (and I think relatively expensive) Bluetooth transmitter/receiver) supporting the necessary profiles. But we shouldn't be piddling around with phone calls on the bike, should we?:t:;)
 

PAD

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#15
'Ere! Bugger! What am I doing telling you all this? What I meant was... I will be happy to provide an elegant system for making Autocoms work with Garmins for anyone who would care to give me, ooooh... Let's say ?69.99. A bargain!:d:

TomToms will cost a bit more.;)
 

steve27bha

The skinny sassenach
#16
That's interesting! I must have only ever put in a full postcode and not noticed. It seems daft that it insists on info that it then doesn't use! Garmin, eh!:)......
If I understand you, it will accept and work on the AB12 3 part of a postcode but not use the last two characters/letters. For my P/C that covers the whole town plus some outlying country - about 25 sq miles!!

Am I missing summat?
 

PAD

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#17
Steve, if I actually only type in the first element and the first character of the second, I am asked for street name and number - i.e. you cannot search on just five characters. My comment about the device only using the first character of the second element for the search location was based on looking at the selection the other night, by pressing the 'i' button between 'Routes' and 'Go' on the search results screen. There, despite entering a full seven character code, the display only gave the first five. I have just performed exactly the same operation and the bloody thing displays the full seven characters!!! :dunno: Garmin, huh!:) So it looks like I was wrong and it does search on the full seven. Even if you use that you get asked for a building number, but if you do use one the search result appears to be the same as if you don't!:dunno: Maybe it depends on the location? Might building numbers give a more precise location in densely populated areas and/or on long streets, etc?:dunno: What I do know for sure is that, in actual use, the 350 has always got me where I wanted to go (once I'd realised how close you need to zoom in in BaseCamp and place route shaping points and waypoints very accurately, but that's another story altogether:rolleyes:.) As I think I said, I tend not to use postcodes only, so please bear with me - I'm, in part, just experimenting to try to provide some answers about a device I own, not trying to be some kind of sat nav guru!:)

Yes, of course, some postcode areas are, like some girls mothers, bigger than others! The bottom line must be, 'always give as much information as you can'.

I hope that makes sense and gives some reassurance?:beer:
 

joemcd

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#18
Ok, I've just found the Bluetooth receiver, connected it to the GPS input on my Autocom Logic unit and to an iPhone charger to power it and set my Zūmo 350 to discover nearby Bluetooth devices. It discovered the receiver in seconds and, upon connecting the Logic unit to a lid with an Autocom headset fitted, could hear the beeps made with every operation on the Zumo. So I selected a location from history and set it to go... Bingo! 'Please go to the highlighted route...'

The receiver is a very cheap unit off eBay that was sent to me in error - I ordered the transmitter unit from the same manufacturer. Of course, it occurs to me that this means I should now be able to communicate with SWMBO on the Autocom via my Sena system and therefore what I thought was of no use to me may well be after all. Eeeee! I'm quite chuffed! Eat yer hearts out Autocom!:d: Seventy odd quid, indeed! Won't work, eh? Pah!:m:

But the device is a DMZ Music MZ-301 ?5.10 from eBay.

At least it gets us in the right direction and able to test performance on the move. Of course, it does require a USB connection on the bike, or maybe use a portable power pack/charger? The latter would make for a system which could be put in jacket pockets if using batteries in the Logic unit.

HTH?

Getting a phone connection is, I'm sure, quite another ball game. But it might just be a matter of using a separate Bluetooth transmitter as well (or a combined (and I think relatively expensive) Bluetooth transmitter/receiver) supporting the necessary profiles. But we shouldn't be piddling around with phone calls on the bike, should we?:t:;)
Thats brilliant,I knew there would be a way to connect the satnav without using autocom/starcom bluetooth modules.One of the Chinese receivers I bought has the same outer case as the one in the link,but has a model number H-163.So anyone thinking of buying be aware that they are not all the same.
Well done.
Take yesterday off.
 
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