Cars without indicators.

petey2sheds

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Is it just me, or has anybody else noticed how nobody seems to bloody indicate anymore?, I've just been out on the FJ, just a short journey & every car I'm following doesn't bother to indicate when turning off, or negotiating the dreaded mini roundabouts that no one seems to understand nowadays, and finally I get some troll in a fiesta deciding to turn right, across my path with no hint of indication :qmiedo:, maybe the impending doom of electric cars can benefit from this, don't bother fitting indicators & save yourselves a couple of amps! :bash:
 

PAD

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Nice one TC. Thoughtless and slavish adherence can be as much a problem as non adherence - not just in regard to indicating.
 

pete0034

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Well wrote TC,but it is of no help when i have followed vehicles for miles,turning at at least 6 road ends,and not one signal .

Anyway rant over till tomorrow morning
 

TC1474

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Well wrote TC,but it is of no help when i have followed vehicles for miles,turning at at least 6 road ends,and not one signal .

Anyway rant over till tomorrow morning
The point I was making is that incorrect signals given at the wrong time can be just as dangerous in some cases more dangerous than no signal at all.

It is an area of complacency that really narks me and one of the main reasons that so many people fail their advanced test.

The problem with signals is a problem caused by the L test where the DSA teach signal for everything rather than think about the signal you are about to give.

Unfortunately, a lot of motorcyclists are just as bad. :(

Until you raise standards at the L test level and the DSA recognise that the current test is not fit for purpose, the problem will remain.
 

fink

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#8
It’s sitting behind someone for miles who has forgotten to turn off indicator. Bikers are the worst.

Late signallers too as in flash , turn.
 

pete0034

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#10
Did the failure to indicate cause you problems, Pete, or just irritation?
One particular mini road about,if you drive into Leyland from my home,you end up at this roundabout,a turn left,a turn right,the road straight-ahead is one way " no entry " . This causes mayhem if vehicles do not show their intentions . If approaching the roundabout the other way from the one way road,the road off to the left is slightly staggerd so you have to indicate left at end of one way road,then Leyland.JPG indicate right straight away. The vehicles coming down the left exit either do not loook or indicate leaving others to second guess where they will go .
 

North Face

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'Definitely less people using indicators. I've recently started to pull alongside drivers wherever possible who failed to indicate and just say to them....."Your indicators aren't working". If/when they try them and reply "they seem to be OK now", I tell them "ah, I see...maybe you just forgot to use them" and ride off. If they're not too stupid, I'm hoping it may sink in. Turning right from the left hand lane of a roundabout to jump traffic really gets my goat :rolleyes:
 

petey2sheds

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Did the failure to indicate cause you problems, Pete, or just irritation?
The trouble with it is PAD, & maybe it's me been too long in the saddle, or growing up in a completely different era where road sense & respect for other road users was not only part of the road test training, but it also bloody mean't something!. If I collide with an idiot turning right with no indication, it'll turn out very bad for me, maybe a life changing injury, the bike will be totalled, time out of work (I'm self employed), ensuing financial difficulty & so it goes, meanwhile the moron is sat in their car which could possibly be left in a road worthy condition, blaming me for exceeding the speed limit & therefore obviously the cause of the accident because I'm a motorcyclist. I've seen it so many times, and it is completely avoidable if people simply apply the instruction they were supposed to have gained when obtaining a licence to drive on UK public roads..............sorry,.........rant over.
 

PAD

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#13
So it just irritated you then!:)

The only thing a flashing indicator tells us is that the bulb is working.

And a non flashing one only tells us that a bulb might not be working.
 
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petey2sheds

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Actually, while the steam is free flowing, I explain the other part of today's little journey to our Metropolis that is.....Newport. I'm going to visit my youngest, I turn up a simple two way road, there are parked vehicles on the opposite side of the road, facing the opposite direction to my right, ie, it is my right of way, the FJ with top case presents itself as quite a bulky machine, I have main dipped headlight on, I'm wearing my winter RST jacket emblazoned with Hi-Viz striping, a woman in one of these silver 5 door hatchbacks that have all the aerodynamic characteristics of a skip & possess such a characterless appearance that they fade into oblivion seconds after the encounter, rushes out around the parked vehicles and continues down my side of the road, I slow from around 15mph, & hug the kerb ready to stop, I glance at her through the drivers window............and she doesn't even know I'm there!, I am invisible......& why?,......because she's there are better things to concentrate on than safely controlling a 1 ton vehicle, such as...is that turkey gonna be big enough?.............or wouldn't the tree look better in the other corner?..........or will those smelliest be enough for Malcolm?...........I despair.:facepalm:
 
#17
I think is cultural.

Years ago we were all British and had a very British way of doing things.
Now I wernt around in the 50’s but mom n dad were and they filled me in on the script, but I reckon it can only get passed on one generation. (Unless you’re in a tribe somewhere near the amazon basin)

The thing is taxi driver in Bangladesh don’t indictate to stop. In fact you’re lucky if he even bothers to pull over to the kerb!

And just to give this some racial balance I come up behind white van man last week....
Lane 2 of a DC lights on green just heffing sat there and theyd been like it 30 seconds n 'im give me middle finger salute an-all!
 

jerry can

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Most people driving cars to or from work are basically asleep at the wheel. The car is just a means to an end for these people. The only observation required is to occasionally look away from their phone at the car directly in front.
Indicating for the bike rider is a life or death scenario, not so much for our four wheeled friends.
I've often thought everyone should have to spend a year driving a moped before being allowed to to apply for a car licence. Might give some people a little perspective.
I cant speak for the UK but here in Dublin, there is little or no courtesy from anyone on the road anymore. Truck drivers are probably the most courteous to bikers in my experience.
 

garmal

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I ride often in Thailand and over there the driving test is seriously, a joke. For instance, you have to give way to vehicles joining a roundabout, rather than those already on it. So the roundabout is always choc a block and fortune favours the brave. Indicators are just pretty lights on the car and can be any colour you can think of. Motorbikes aren't allowed on a motorway, however you will often see the small 125s buzzing along the equivalent of the hard shoulder. They will drive in any lane and under/overtake at will and funnily enough, it's accepted! I now have an understanding why you often see someone who is probably used to driving overseas, shall I say, driving in a middle lane, as that's what they are used to in their home country and can't understand why it pisses us off so much!
If you are the first vehicle stopped at a traffic light, you will suddenly find yourself surrounded by @ 20-30 small bikes all around you and sometimes the lights will change to red before you get a chance to move!
Funnily enough, I thoroughly enjoy riding over there - now I'm used to the 'Thai' way!

GM
 
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