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Well it worked with the Irish...treaty of Lisbon and all that..
Time for me to jump in again.
One of the reasons that the first Treaty referendum was rejected was that there was a chance that we would lose our Commissioner. There were other reasons too but that seemed to be the one most talked about at the time. You need to understand the reasons for referenda in Ireland. Our constitution cannot be altered without a referendum, and the same question can not be put to the people twice. The EU asked what needed to be done to pass it in Ireland and the Commissioner bit was removed and a few more tweaks made and it passed the second time. A referendum result is legally binding in Ireland unlike the UK which does not have a written constitution.
To those saying that they have voted once and voting again is undemocratic, I ask was Theresa May's snap election also undemocratic? The government was only about 2 years old when she called the election. Was that against the will of the people? (besides being spectacularly foolish)
Here's some interesting reading on the second Lisbon referendum which bears some striking similarities to the predicament that the UK finds itself in currently. Lies were told and apathy set in. Once the electorate had time to educate themselves and debate the issues informed decisions were made.


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Dara O’Brien never mentioned that. And I thought he had some quite good Irish credentials.
Dara who?

Oh! Him! The fellah that uses the Irish for his surname, but forgot about his first name...? Or maybe he’s Jewish Irish and the first name’s in d’ Hebrew?
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Well it worked with the Irish...treaty of Lisbon and all that..
The situation in Denmark at the time of the Maastricht Treaty was even more stark: their initial rejection of the treaty resulted in the 1992 Edinburgh Agreement, through which the Danes were granted several opt-outs (similar to the UK's, which were earned in a different way), which they still enjoy today. As a result of their rejection of the Maastricht Treaty, they are now exempt from joining the Euro Zone, from the common defence policy and from certain EU decisions and regulations relating to Justice and Home Affairs. It possibly helped that they were the last EC country to agree to the Maastrich Treaty, and the future integration of the bloc as the EU required unanimity...

No, it doesn't have much to do with Brexit, except to illustrate that the usual Brexiteer arguments about the bully EU and its stance on referenda are hopelessly ill-informed. In this case (and in Ireland) the "bullying" resulted in some useful concessions for the "victim"--we should hope all EU bullying has the same result as it did in Denmark and Ireland!